america has never fully reckoned with torture. the public was initially shocked by disclosures about waterboarding and torture at the abu ghraib prison. but there have been no prosecutions, no truth commissions and no meaningful accountability. president obama did run on restoring the rule of law to the fight against terrorist and al qaeda. but when the huffington post sam stiep asked him about torture prosecution, he expressed little interest in prosecution alleged war crimes. >> if there are clear instances of wrongdoing, then people should be prosecuted just like any ordinary citizen. but generally speaking, i'm more interested in looking forward than i am in looking backwards. >> joining us now to look backwards, mark staner, author of "torture and truth," america abu ghraib and the war on terror. thanks for being here. >> thank you. thanks for inviting me. >> mash, let's start right there. the president said he didn't want to look backward. a lot of people said that was a reverse crone languageal frame because all prosecution